Can God Trust You with His Son?

Teachable Woman Podcast

Transcript: Can God Trust You with His Son?

Reverends Diana P. Cherry and Michele Owes

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Rev. Michele Owes: Welcome, welcome, welcome back to the Teachable Woman podcast. We are so excited to be with you today. We are together with Reverend Mrs. Deanna P. Cherry, and we are Teachers of Good Things. We're excited that we have an opportunity to share with you again and that you are allowing us into your homes or to accompany you on your walks or rides to work or home. Thank you for trusting us to share with you every moment you tune into this podcast. Mrs. Cherry let's say hello to our guests.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Hello, everyone. We're excited! I hope you're excited. We're excited about the teachings on relationships that we're currently doing, the upcoming retreat, and what God has done and is going to do. We just finished thanking Him for all the people who have made a deposit or input into our lives and our ability to receive from so many godly people through the years.

Diana P. Cherry: [00:01:00]. It is our desire to now walk in that office of godly women who will pour into your lives some of the wonderful things that have been poured into our lives. So be blessed.

Rev. Michele Owes: Amen. Thank you so much for this. In Division 1 of Relationships, we had the opportunity to share with some a new concept, but also maybe just to embellish the thought that our first relationship was with our Heavenly Father, our Creator. We confirm through Scripture that He knew us Before He placed us in the womb of our moms. So that means that He had a personal relationship with us. He had a purpose and a plan for our being on the earth. God knew us.

He shared with Jeremiah in chapter number one, [00:02:00] before we came forth out of the womb, that He sanctified us, meaning that He set us aside, ordained us, meaning He empowered us with whatever we needed to fulfill the plan that He has for our lives. So, so few of us really have thought about the fact that we come here vacuum-packed, if you will, with everything God needs. It's only when we let the air in that things get watered down, and we start doing things other than what we were created to do, right? But God has birthed us fully equipped to do His will. The second relationship that we talked about was part of what we were sanctified and set aside to be a witness for the Lord. We used the wonderful story of the Woman at the Well. Mrs. Cherry talked about [00:03:00] the fact that so many people miss the real meaning behind that story.

Rev. Michele Owes: We get caught up in how many husbands she had, and the one she was with was not her husband. Some of us are still looking to get one husband, and yet she had five. What is wrong with that God? What happened was that she could get five, and we're still trusting you for the one, right? So many different thoughts come to our mind when we hear about that story. What we wanted to gather from it was that once she met Jesus, she recognized all those other relationships weren't really the important ones. Because she went back to her village, and she said Come see a Man who told me all about me. We learned that what was so astonishing was that He was able to tell her how many men she was with. These are the kinds of things that we keep close to the chest. We don't want anybody to know our business. We don't want anybody to know [00:04:00] where we've been.

Rev. Michele Owes: It's private to us, but Jesus was clear and matter-of-fact. She knew that he was just no ordinary man. We want you to know that our Heavenly Father and our Savior, Jesus Christ, know all about us. God said that before I formed thee in the belly, I knew you. He knows all about us. There's really nothing that we can hide from Him. One of the things that Mrs. Cherry shared with us in our last time together was that That's not what's important to Him. It's for what we do from this point forward. We are prayerful that as we pour into your lives, that which has been poured into ours will always work from this point forward; the past is just that, as she stated last week.

Rev. Michele Owes: It is the past; it only gets drug into the present if we bring it. We encourage you to leave the past in the past and let's work the [00:05:00] work that the woman at the well worked. She worked her job as a witness for our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. She forgot about her past and ensured that the people of her community were saved. Because of her witness and saying, come see a man, the men came. They convinced Jesus to stay with them for two days as he continued to share the word with them, and then they told her, we now believe because of what he shared with us, and that's really what we want to do as we're witnessing. We don't want people to believe because of what we said. We want them to have that personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Some of us are going to plant, and some of us will water, but God will bring the increase. We want them to have an increase and a personal relationship with the Lord for themselves. Okay, so that's my summary of our last two lessons. And now we're at the point where we know everybody is [00:06:00] waiting. We want to know about that man-woman relationship. We're going to just talk briefly about some of the key things we want to share with you overall. What is a relationship? It is the connection that we have with other people. The type of relationship that we have is determined by how we behave with people. We don't treat all people the same because we want different types of relationships. We have a family relationship and a romantic relationship. We have friendships. We have associates, and we behave differently in those relationships. So, how we're connected to one another, it's how we define that relationship. Mrs. Cherry will share with us how God has defined some relationships and how he's connected to us. right, Mrs. Terry, [00:07:00] did I set that up for you?

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: I think you did a good job. I'm going to share just a few notes from a teaching that my husband did in 1988. It was the first time he taught about relationships. I like his definition also of a relationship. It's the position that one holds in respect to another. One of the key statements he made in that teaching was that out of relationships come expectations.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: We've talked about our relationship with God, and God has expectations of us in our relationship with Him. In every relationship that we have, there are expectations. We're about to talk about the male, female, the woman-to-man relationship, but, you know, really in the eyes of God. I think [00:08:00] that the man-to-woman relationship.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: A relationship between a woman and a woman, a saint to a saint, or a man to a man should not be any different in the body of Christ. Our priority is to develop a wholesome, real, and loving relationship with God; out of our relationship with him comes some expectations.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: He expects us to obey him. And so even though we like to make a big difference in relationships, for instance, if we're unmarried, our primary relationship in life ought to be our relationship with God. If we are married, then our primary relationship again is with God, [00:09:00] but we move on further to this relationship that we have with this man who prayerfully is our husband and not like the woman at the well, because Jesus said, even that one was not hers. Don't disdain her.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Don't be jealous of her because Jesus said even that one wasn't hers. We don't want that. We don't want her testimony. But We do want to know how to have good, godly, wholesome relationships with people of the same sex, not in a perverted type of way, or people of the opposite sex. We're going to deal with that a little bit.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Just remember, expectations come out of the relationship. I think that all of us should enter all relationships clear-headed, clear-minded, and not looking for something that might only break our hearts and put us in the category of the woman at the well, where somebody will be [00:10:00] able to say to us, well, he wasn't yours, to begin with.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: What are you getting upset about it? I want you to think if we develop a close relationship with God, we'll learn how to develop a relationship between a man and woman so that God would be pleased in that relationship. But I think that we should always keep in our hearts and in our minds that the most important relationship that we have on earth is our relationship with our heavenly father.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Out of that relationship flows, everything that we need in the natural realm might not seem like it, but it really does. I mean, everything that we could ever want flows out of that relationship. Our natural needs, our spiritual needs, our emotional needs, peace, love, joy, it all flows out of that relationship with God.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: I know that a lot of what we teach might seem [00:11:00] different and a little strange for 2024. Remember, we must always remember that we change. We serve a never-changing God in an ever-changing world. Though relationships have changed, and all kinds of relationships are acceptable in the minds of so many people nowadays, the bottom line is that Reverend Owes and I will strive with all that's in us to teach you the 100-fold of God's word. We might not say what you think we should say or what you thought we weren't going to say but just stay with us. Hang in here with us. The same joy that we have, the same peace that we have, the same wonderful relationships that we had with our husbands, it’s for you.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: But it's a process. We're going to have to walk you [00:12:00] through and spoon-feed you because we're going to have to do a lot of deep programming. But just hang in here with us. Most of all, know that we love you. Know that we have your best interests at heart, and don't think, Oh, they're old.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: They've been married. They, you know, no, no, no, no, no. We are, we are young, we are young at heart. We have the mind of Christ. We have the love of Christ. We have the word of God that dwells richly in our hearts. And we only want to be a blessing to you. So just bear with us. We might take a little different twist or turn.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: But in the end, you'll get what you really need. And God's going to be glorified in your life, just stay, stay with us.

Rev. Michele Owes: Amen. I want to share this funny story with you. [00:13:00] When my daughter and I would go shopping, sometimes, no matter where we were, a handsome guy would show up. This causes you to turn your head. We've all seen them; some may be married to them. It's the one that turned her head. My daughter would say, "Oh, mom, he is fine, right? I would look. I wouldn't try to tell her she was wrong because both our eyes could witness, right? When we went over it, she got it. I said, whenever you see a man that just draws your attention that way, instead of saying he's fine, change that to he is a wonderful manifestation of God's creative ability. I said, by the time you get all of that out, you'll recognize that he's [00:14:00] God's creation. Wherever your mind went about how fine he is, let’s going to take you back to who created him. After you get all of that out, you are

going to want to continue to do whatever it was you were doing. in there when you recognize that he's God's man.

Rev. Michele Owes: I think this is one of the things that we fail to acknowledge when we see a man. Our first thought is, is he going to be my man? We consider so much about what we want, what we think, and how things should be for us; it's these expectations that you mentioned.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Yes.

Rev. Michele Owes: There's a set of expectations. God doesn't look at the outer appearance of a man. He weighs his heart.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Right.

Rev. Michele Owes: We knew that with Jesse's son because Jesse's sons, [00:15:00] they thought that the good-looking son had to be the one that God was looking for. But God chose the ruddy guy who was out there playing with the sheep. The point is, whatever God has prepared for this life, we can't; we have to be like God. We can't just look at the appearance of a thing. We have really got to be willing to do our first job, which is not to introduce ourselves because he might be mine, but to reintroduce him to his Savior and his Lord.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Yeah.

Rev. Michele Owes: We know that they belong to Him first.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Right.

Rev. Michele Owes: You know, say that to her every time. I wouldn't deny that he was a good-looking man.

Rev. Michele Owes: I'm a married woman, yes, but I can see a good-looking [00:16:00] man and not feel like I need him. If he's a good-looking man, he's a good-looking man. My husband was a good-looking man to me. He was His man. He called him to be a preacher, then called me to be one. It's settled, right? The point is, if we can understand that we're going to have expectations in this life, there are things that we want. Scriptures tell us that God will give us the desires of our hearts. I will say that the man that I married, his one physical appearance was nothing like what I used to say I liked. It was not what I used to go for if you will. I didn't even know what I needed. I didn't even really know what I wanted, but God knew what I needed. And when he presented the sketch, I still had questions because, you know, there were certain things that I had lined up that I wanted and reasons. And he did not fit that package. Here's the [00:17:00] news flash. I didn't fit the package that he liked either. The mystical union is God's work. Scriptures tell us he that finds a wife, finds a good thing. He is really clear. If we're looking, we are in the wrong position.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Yes, fine.

Rev. Michele Owes: Give him an opportunity to find you. Here's another news flash. You don't have to go to the club. You don't have to hang out at all the what's happening places where people say you go to find a man. My husband came to my front door and knocked on it. He wasn't looking for me. I had a [00:18:00] friend visiting, right? He came to show us the city, so I didn't have to go to the club. I didn't have to sit in dark places and smoke and drink and hope somebody across the room met eyes with me. When God has a plan, He's just got a plan. We must divest from all of what the world is doing and recognize that His hand is not short toward us. But our hearts must be right toward him.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Yeah. Huh. Huh. Yes.

Rev. Michele Owes: It is not so much if we want a man, but can God trust you with one? Because it's His son. Can God trust you to be a helpmate to his son? [00:19:00] Are we mature enough as a woman that a man's heart can be safely trusted with us? The Proverbs 31 woman says the heart of her husband was safely trusted with her.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Yes. Yes.

Rev. Michele Owes: She worked like a Hebrew slave. She had about 15, 000 jobs. That's an exaggeration. When you look at all that she did, she was a businesswoman.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: She did it all.

Rev. Michele Owes: sold for a hustle. She worked for her and her neighbors. You know, she was a businesswoman but a good parent. She helped her neighbors. She helped her servants. I'm not suggesting that you have to do all of that. What I am saying is just ask yourself the question, Can God trust the heart of man, His Son, with you? You don't have to answer that for any of us, but you do have to answer that within yourself for your Heavenly Father. And that could [00:20:00] answer the question as to why one has not yet arrived. Can God trust you?

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Hey.

Rev. Michele Owes: Do him no harm, but build him. A wise woman builds her house.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Huh.

Rev. Michele Owes: There's a lot in the building process

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Yeah. That's right. Yes. Yeah. Yes.

Rev. Michele Owes: We want to move in our clothes and our furnishings and live. That is not how this is done. When Mrs. Cherry said, be patient with us. We're not going to shoot exactly what you think. We may be taking some detours. We want you to understand that in the building process, the first thing they do is survey the land. Somebody's watching you. Somebody's surveying. Remember, it's his job to find a wife. After you survey the land, there are [00:21:00] permits and plans that must be written. Once they're approved, you go in and the first thing that happens is they excavate the land. They knock down all the trees and all the shrubs. They dig up all the grassroots until it's flat land. How many of you are willing to allow God to excavate some of the things in your life that will not be productive for a husband? Can you let God come in and do a complete remake of who you are so that you will be fit for His purpose? Not your plans, not your goals, not what you think. I think you may have learned in my discussions with Reverend Willett Wright, that she had a plan for corporate America. Ministry was not a part of it. I had a plan for my life, and ministry was nowhere on the paper and had never been written. God [00:22:00] had to clean us up. with all of what we wanted to do. This is all so that His will could be done. Relationships, how much will you allow God to make you who he needs you to be so that he can trust the heart of one of his men with you? Can God excavate your land or do you feel like you've built so much like the rich, rich young ruler that you would rather go away sad than let God make you over again another as it seems good to him?

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: That was so, your comments were so good. I was sitting here just getting blessed. We do a good job of feeding off of one another. I love that about these podcasts.

Rev. Michele Owes: Me too.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: I mean, they're totally unrehearsed and unscripted, and we just let God use us. As you were talking about that building process, after you've done all that excavating, the most important thing then that you have to [00:23:00] do is have a good foundation.

Rev. Michele Owes: Yes.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: To think that we can go out and meet him and greet him and meet him and get him and it just doesn't work like that.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: We must allow God to do his job. He is perfecting, he is cleaning, He is purging, his tearing down. We must allow God to give us a foundation upon which to build a meaningful, lasting relationship. Remember the kind of relationship that we're talking about ultimately, you know, is married life.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: I mean, almost every woman really desires marriage. To have that, it takes work.

Rev. Michele Owes: It does.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: And most of us are not prepared for that. Anything that we tell you, we tell you because we want whatever relationship that you get into, especially a marriage relationship to last a lifetime.

Rev. Michele Owes: Yes.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: [00:24:00] We don't want a fly by night relationship.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: We don't want you to suffer. Sister Owes, Reverend O's and I have suffered the loss of our husbands. I believe I've never been divorced, so I don't know, but I believe that the loss of our mates pales in comparison to a person who suffers through a divorce because you really cannot divorce a person.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Inevitably, you're going to see them again. You're going to have some kind of relationship with them. And if they have children, it never ends.

Rev. Michele Owes: Yes.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: We will deal with these things on the retreat and prayerfully be able to help you more. But you must trust that we have your best interests at heart.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: We will not reach up in the sky and get some magic voodoo dust to pull on you and lay hands on you fake-like. We want [00:25:00] to give you a foundation on which God can build a strong relationship.

Rev. Michele Owes: Yes,

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: I wanted to share another tidbit from our marriage enrichments: We talked about how your husband wasn't your ideal.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: My husband definitely was not my ideal. We talk about that ideal mate when we go through marriage counseling. Whoever you are, even if you're already in a relationship, consider seriously taking a good premarital training class before you proceed. Marriage is supposed to last a lifetime. There is no hurry.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: There is no rush. This is a lifetime commitment to an imperfect person. Take a little time out and allow yourself to be perfected. Make sure that you have a foundation upon which God can build your life [00:26:00] from the lifegivers perspective, from the help-meet perspective, and then pray that God will do the same thing in that perspective mate's life.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: But you know, let's be real, real, real. Not TV real, but let's be real, real from the word of God. We only want what's best for you. We want you to have the truth. We only want you to walk in truth. We're going to do everything in our power to do the best and be the best that we can for you because we really love you.

Rev. Michele Owes: Amen. And I want to add that we love you because of how much God loved us first.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Yes.

Rev. Michele Owes: Mrs. Cherry and I were praying about how much God [00:27:00] poured into our lives from our pastors, our husbands, and the leaders that we had over the years. We listened to and trusted God's word from the shepherds we were placed under and how God allowed us to grow in our trust in His word. These experiences that we've had and what we're sharing are not just what we think. It is from the depths of our hearts, and it's been placed there by the orchestration of the Holy Spirit for you.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Yes, yes. Okay,

Rev. Michele Owes: We've lived through some things, but it is for your benefit, and we pray that you can feel God's love through what we share with you. We're going to laugh, and as we say, we're going to cry sometimes, but we're only going to tell you the truth.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Good.

Rev. Michele Owes: God's love for you and the relationship that you have with him will carry you through every other relationship. Relationships are so important. [00:28:00] When the man does find you, let me correct that.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Right.

Rev. Michele Owes: Should you choose to move forward in marriage, and even if you don't, while you're deciding whether you do, God must be at the center of the relationship. He has to be who you consult on everything, even whether you go forward. One of the reasons I love our premarital is because there are so many things in place before so you can allow God to tell you whether this is really right for you. For now, sometimes the relationship is not denied, but it's delayed. Like am I in a state where I can even have a relationship? Or is my mind so whatever or whatever? You are given every opportunity to know everything that you need to know upfront. Because [00:29:00] marriage in and of itself, is the two becoming one, it is a very difficult process. We've been our own individual selves for so long, and now we've got to become one. Everybody's vying for a little authority. I remember I got a call from a young lady, and the question was, how far does this woman obey your husband go? Excuse me, do I have to do this? We laughed for a while. I said I am not laughing at you. I know you're upset, and that is not the funny part. I said, what is causing me to laugh just a little is that I think it's a little late to ask that question. Well, see, I do. So anyway, I want to bring us back to the center.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Yes.

Rev. Michele Owes: God's love for you is unfailing; it's unconditional. You are not going to get that kind of love anywhere else. Any man you [00:30:00] marry will learn to love you unconditionally from your heavenly father. Because remember, it's God who knows all about you.

Rev. Michele Owes: And he is the only one who can tell your spouse how to love you because of who you are. You don't want to close God out of the process. You don't want your flesh to speak before your spirit man has an opportunity to weigh in and take control. There are many wonderful manifestations of God's creative ability walking around the earth. When we see them, sometimes our flesh takes us to what we think will be wonderful and becomes a nightmare. Let's put the brakes on. Let's pump the brakes. Let's put on patience and let it have its perfect work that we might be entire and want nothing.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Amen.

[00:31:00] Rev. Michele Owes: Cherry, look at the time.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: We had so much fun.

Rev. Michele Owes: What we did it. We hope you had fun listening to us, and we hope that there was a moment when God spoke to you so clearly, whether you're married, single, divorced, or widowed. We hope that there was some moment when God spoke to you clearly about your current situation. Wherever you are, we pray that you will yield.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Amen.

Rev. Michele Owes: Let Him be Lord. You know, many people will accept Jesus as Savior, but we do deny His Lordship. The Lordship part is where He gets to tell us what to do. The Lordship part is where He gets to order our steps. And that if He says no or not now, we obey. We don't edge forward to try to [00:32:00] convince him to change his mind. We

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Right.

Rev. Michele Owes: As Mrs. Cherry told us earlier, part of that relationship with God is not just that He created us. He didn't just create us to turn us loose. He created us with a purpose and a plan, but we must obey him to get there. We will come back with part two of division two of relationships. We know you got something out of it because we did. We love you, and we'll be back.

Rev. Diana P. Cherry: Love you.